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		<title>Take Back Skepticism, Part II: The Overkill Window</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>First, if you have not read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-i-the-elephant-in-the-room">Part I</a>, please read it now. The most important part of that post is:</p>
	<blockquote><p>…I suggest is this: Skepticism, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by the blatant ignorance, arrogance, </p>&#8230; <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/" class="read_more">Keep Reading...</a></blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>First, if you have not read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-i-the-elephant-in-the-room">Part I</a>, please read it now. The most important part of that post is:</p>
	<blockquote><p>…I suggest is this: Skepticism, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by the blatant ignorance, arrogance, and irrationality displayed when those acts are committed.</p>
	<p>In a field dedicated to reducing ignorance and irrationality, a field in which arrogance is toxic, I find this kind of behavior offensive. It is time that we reclaim Skepticism and restore its credibility and integrity.</p></blockquote>
	<p>And</p>
	<blockquote><p>When I can&#8217;t tell the &#8216;good guys&#8217; from the &#8216;bad guys&#8217;, there are no good guys.</p></blockquote>
	<p>At the World Atheist Convention, there was a panel called <em>Communicating Atheism</em>. Video from this panel was posted to YouTube. The comments were almost as disturbing as the video, with Rebecca Watson on the receiving end of all manner of misogyny (and my definition of this is much narrower than hers) and the others being cheered on without thought to the contradictions in their statements. The most interesting part about this is that the most rational person on the panel, and the one to receive the least support from internet commenters, was the one most closely associated with skeptical movement, Rebecca Watson. Next was Richard Dawkins, who is also associated with Skepticism*, although less so than he is with atheism. The least rational were the other two panel members &#8211; people I had never heard of until I saw this video. All made reasoning errors of some kind.</p>
	<p>The panel was about communicating atheism, however, Rebecca chose not to talk about that. Instead she talked about sexism in the atheist movement. It would not be until later that I would discover just how badly this needed to be discussed. I will remind you at this point that I am usually somewhat critical of Rebecca and that this is the very appearance which sparked elevatorgate. Since I <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/07/on-sexism-objectification-and-power-and-maybe-a-new-era/" target="_blank">have already chimed in</a> on that, it should be no surprise that I have little negative to say here and I will just leave it at that.</p>
	<p>The last person to talk (but more rational than the other two) was Richard Dawkins. He made a statement that I appreciate: he specifically stated that he does not advocate ridiculing believers, but rather ridiculing beliefs. I am not generally against ridiculing beliefs myself, however I believe that goals and context are vital in determining if such ridicule is appropriate. But then he really stepped in it. Dawkins is a highly intelligent and relatively rational person, yet he used weasel words. What exactly is this <em>consciousness-raising</em> that he keeps talking about? He did not define it, but suggested that it was akin to <em>enlightenment</em>. These weasel words were the cornerstone of his statement. Flimsy, Dawkins. Really flimsy.</p>
	<p>What&#8217;s more, Dawkins began his statement with this:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Last year at the TAM conference, Phil Plait got a lot of applause for a talk about how to communicate atheism… uh, and he began by taking a vote of people who used to be religious and were now atheists and he got a great show of hands and then he said, &#8216;How many of you changed your mind as a result of being called an idiotic retard?&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s not at all how I remember it.</p>
	<p>So, let&#8217;s see what Phil really said. After all, <a href="http://vimeo.com/13704095">the video</a> is freely available on the internet and there is even a <a href=" http://www.ooblick.com/weblog/2010/07/14/the-dont-be-a-dick-heard-round-the-world/">partial transcript</a> which includes that opening:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Let me ask you a question: how many of you here today used to believe in something — used to, past tense — whether it was flying saucers, psychic powers, religion, anything like that? You can raise your hand if you want to. [lots of hands go up] Not everyone is born a skeptic. A lot of you raised your hand. I’d even say most of you, from what I can tell.</p>
	<p>Now let me ask you a second question: how many of you no longer believe in those things, and you became a skeptic, because somebody got in your face, screaming, and called you an idiot, brain-damaged, and a retard? [Very few hands go up]</p></blockquote>
	<p>Perhaps the conflation of atheism with skepticism was deliberate, or perhaps he just remembered it that way, but does Dawkins really care so little for his own work that he couldn&#8217;t be bothered to spend five minutes preparing? Really?</p>
	<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa">AronRa</a> is YouTube famous. That&#8217;s all I know about him. He told the story of how he came to be an evangelist for evolution and atheism. Most of what he discussed was anecdotal and he stated that he does not believe that we can be certain of anything – a fundamental scientific principle. However, his &#8216;bottom line&#8217; contradicted all of his statements about truth and science (bold mine):</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>You can&#8217;t reach these people.</strong> Religion has this basis of&#8230; the purpose of it is to make believe &#8211; now where I come from we call that &#8216;pretend&#8217; &#8211; but<strong> that is the goal</strong>. You can&#8217;t question the conviction&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>This is simply not true. &#8216;Fantasy&#8217; is not the <em>goal</em> or <em>purpose</em> of religion, even if that is what the beliefs boil down to in the end. Many religions even <em>encourage</em> questioning and testing one&#8217;s faith. A great many people have been &#8220;reached&#8221; through education. Think about how many current activists were once people of faith. Michael Shermer studied Christian theology before changing his major and eventually gave up religion, but not without a few years of education and many hours of discussion. Perhaps AronRa isn&#8217;t reaching anyone because his approach does not consider the audience&#8217;s current point of view. If you want to educate people, you need to understand where they are coming from.</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;To me, honestly matters. Only accurate information has practical application. And accountability matter. <strong>If you&#8217;re going to teach something, make sure that you&#8217;re going to teach something that is correct.</strong> &#8220;</p></blockquote>
	<p>I could not agree more with this statement, but…</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;Faith itself is inherently dishonest because <strong>faith is an unwarranted assumption</strong> that is inserted [sic] with unreasonable conviction. It would be unwise to hold an absolute conviction even when there is evidence, but we&#8217;re talking about<strong> something that it is asserted with no reason at all other than some subjective thing</strong>. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
	<p>Who says that all, or even most, believers &#8216;hold an absolute conviction&#8217; or even that their beliefs are &#8216;unwarranted&#8217;? Who says that they have &#8216;no reason at all&#8217; to believe? Do believers all agree that their evidence is subjective? Is subjective experience worthless? Does it equate to &#8220;no reason at all&#8221;? Absurd.</p>
	<p>Then he finishes with this:</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;Some of us have a need to believe and others have the desire to understand. Those who have a desire to understand will improve their perspective and will find the faults and will correct them. Those who have the need to believe will not correct anything and will remain just as wrong as they started out, at least.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p><strong>AronRa doesn&#8217;t know why people believe. </strong> Belief is not that simple.</p>
	<p>Most people think that their beliefs are rational and that the beliefs of other people are emotional or otherwise irrational. This is a good example of the self-serving bias, which is probably second only to the confirmation bias in driving human behaviors today. For example, when Michael Shermer asked readers with religious beliefs why they believe in God, the most popular answers were related to rational arguments and the complexity of the universe. However, when he asked those same preople why <em>others</em> believed, the most popular answer was because it is comforting; belief is consoling and gives meaning and purpose to life. In other words, &#8220;I believe because I am rational. You believe because you need to.&#8221;</p>
	<p>AronRa makes assumptions about why people believe because he does not understand why other people cannot see the world as he does. He discounts their reasons for believing. He discounts the evidence that they believe they have seen with their own eyes or heard with their own ears. It doesn&#8217;t matter if their evidence is refutable because they do not believe that their claims have been refuted; usually, it is not the evidence that is the problem, but one&#8217;s interpretation of it.</p>
	<p>Essentially, AronRa&#8217;s claim that these people have no reason to believe is arrogant and disrespectful. What&#8217;s more is that he makes this claim with no evidence to support it, which is ironic. He placed people into two categories: those who need to believe and those who want to understand, a false dichotomy if I&#8217;ve ever heard one. People are much much, much more complicated than this. AronRa&#8217;s assertion also assumes that everyone <em>has the capacity</em> to understand. AronRa believes – assumes &#8211; that <em>he</em> is rational, yet in the midst of his criticism of others is an irrational argument to promote his beliefs about the difference between atheists and theists, a belief grounded in a little bit of casual observation and whole lot of assumption. How is this different from religion?</p>
	<p>Then the most offensive and irrational panelist spoke. Tom Melchiorre&#8217;s <a href="http://www.atheistalliance.org/" rel="nofollow">website</a> sports the tag line, &#8220;Making a World of Difference With a Positive Voice for Atheism&#8221;. Positive. Right.</p>
	<p>Mr. Melchiorre talks about &#8220;&#8230;not just communicating atheism, but <em>advancing</em> atheism.&#8221; So, he is not just interested in secularism. He is not just interested in the right not to practice a religion. But he is also clearly not talking about education, so how does a lack of belief in something <em>advance</em>? As for the &#8220;positive&#8221; part, when discussing a model for activism, he mentions a motto of the LGBT movement, &#8220;We&#8217;re here. We&#8217;re queer. Get used to it.&#8221; But he says,</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have a version that&#8217;s &#8216;We&#8217;re here, you go to your hell, you crazy religious bastards. Get used to it.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>This, of course, receives a round of laughter and applause. Melchiorre then justifies his meanness and intolerance by giving a history lesson. I wondered, though, if Melchiorre was also from Texas (AronRa&#8217;s home), because his version of history was definitely a little bit tilted:</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;Malcolm X was a very dark black and he wore very dark clothes and he spoke ominously. He scared the shit out of white people&#8230;they did violence &#8211; verses Martin Luther King, who was strictly passivist&#8230;In reality, Martin Luther King in his movement as a pacifist would not have gotten as far as fast had Malcolm X not provided an extreme opposite and pretty much forced the white population in power to say, &#8216;Okay, we don&#8217;t want to deal with this violent black civil rights person, so who do we deal with? Oh, here&#8217;s this nice sweet guy over here, Martin Luther King, Jr., very pacifist.&#8217; But who&#8217;s to say the two of them were not talking behind the scenes?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>At this point, Richard Dawkins did a double-take. That last sentence is very enlightening; Melchiorre is just making stuff up. <em>That</em> is fantasy.</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;We need to have a second movement of atheism along side the hardcore &#8211; the hard atheists, the new atheists, and that&#8217;s pretty much what I&#8217;m calling the soft atheists, or the pacifist atheists. So that when the religious get a little upset and want to do something about our demands, but are afraid to talk to us angry, hardcore, confrontational, hostile, evil atheists, they don&#8217;t have to. They can go next door and talk to the softer, gentler, you know, pretty atheists who don&#8217;t shout at them.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>Melchiorre never mentioned The Overton Window, but some of the language he uses (such as &#8220;demands&#8221;) is reminiscent of other discussions about the application of this theory in other realms and <a href="http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2010/10/16/framing-atheism/">discussions</a> on the blogosphere last year about the relative contributions of MLK and X in the movement.  His description above fits with suggestions of <a href="http://www.mackinac.org/7504">The Overton Window</a> quite well and even sounds a little like something out of Glenn Beck&#8217;s novel <em>The Overton Window</em>. No, I didn&#8217;t read it, but I have read some of one blogger&#8217;s <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/09/overton-window-chapter-ten.html">review</a> of it:</p>
	<blockquote><p>This, perhaps (though I am open to suggestions otherwise) is the most ridiculous moment of the chapter:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Just like Dr. King, we aim to eliminate evil, not those who perpetrate it. To speak of violence in any form is to play right into the hands of those who oppose us. They’ve already invested countless hours into portraying us as violent, hateful racists, and they are just waiting for the chance to further that story line. Don’t give it to them. Instead of Bill Ayers, give them Benjamin Franklin. Instead of Malcolm X, give them Rosa Parks. Instead of bin Laden, give them Gandhi.</p></blockquote>
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	<p>The Overton Window is well known in the field of activism (Desiree Schell talked about it in her talk at TAM9) and I have been told that &#8216;new atheists&#8217; sometimes evoke it, although I have not read much of this myself (I do not tend to follow their conversations). However, there is no scientific support for this theory.</p>
	<p>The Overton Window simply describes any set of cultural norms. It also <em>attempts</em> to explain how those norms can be changed. Unfortunately, I did not find it in any of the academic literature in political science or sociology. The Overton Window is a pop-political science (bordering on pseudoscientific) concept based on a technique for persuasion called &#8220;door in the face&#8221;, which <em>is</em> found in abundance in the psychological literature. The <em>door in the face</em> technique starts with a much larger request than one hopes will be accepted. For example, if you were a charity asking for money and hoping for $50 from each household, you might ask for $500 to start. Once this request is refused and you ask for $50, the new request seems reasonable in comparison. You are much more likely to receive something from the target than if you simply asked for $50 outright.</p>
	<p>The idea of The Overton Window theory is that starting with outrageous demands such as &#8220;abolish public schools!&#8221; will move the window of acceptable demands enough to receive support for what you really want (e.g., school vouchers).</p>
	<p>There are probably some kernels of truth to this theory and the tactics it dictates may work in some specific situations, but lasting change is unlikely. Humans are very good at anchoring and adjusting. In other words, we use points for comparison. However, psychological effects involve the behavior of<em> individuals</em> <em>on average</em> and in a limited set of situations. <em>Groups</em> of people are not individuals and do not behave like individuals. Political affiliation, religion, and other attitudes are often much, much more complicated than such a simple theory could predict. There are many more factors involved in what makes culture. For example, who says that <em>anyone</em> has to listen to either the person with the extreme view <em>or</em> the moderate? And, as Desiree Shell mentioned, even the theory says that people need to be able to tell the difference between these two and they need to care about that difference.</p>
	<p>There is an abundance of literature which suggests that the stronger or harder the sell, the less likely an individual will respond by changing their view. They are much more likely to become more polarized in the other direction. Skeptics demonstrate this all the time. So do atheists. What are believers to think when they meet activists who approach believers with belligerence, insults, and arrogance? It is more likely to mistrust any atheist than they are to compare the behavior to that of other atheists they meet.  My prediction, or rather an analogy of what I predict, is found in the comic I commissioned from my son(click to enlarge), dubbed <em>The Overkill Window</em>.</p>
	<p><a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-content/media/2011/08/OWComic2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1001" title="OWComic2" src="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-content/media/2011/08/OWComic2-600x645.jpg" alt="The Overkill Window" width="600" height="645" /></a></p>
	<p>Even if he was not thinking of The Overton Window, Melchiorre&#8217;s example of Malcolm and Martin is a story, nothing more. There is no evidence to support the history he described. In fact, it is not the most parsimonious explanation for the success of the civil rights movement. During the 1950s and 60s baby boomers were hitting puberty and early adolescence. What happens during adolescence? Kids rebel. Against everything. The Korean War, the impending Vietnam War, the momentum of civil rights prior to this time, the fact that the black community in the United States grew much more quickly than the white community, and many other factors overshadow the inner conflicts in the movement itself.</p>
	<p>Melchiorre&#8217;s suggestion that Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were collaborating is<em> completely</em> irrational. He said this with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and even provided the counter-evidence that they met only once. But he saved the most offensive stuff for the end (bold mine):</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;They can go next door and talk to the softer, gentler, you know, pretty atheists who don&#8217;t shout at them. Now, <strong>those are not humanists. Those are not freethinkers. Those are not rationalists.</strong> All of whom pretty much share our view, they just go by a different name. But if we want to communicate and advance atheism, we have to deal with the religious as one group. Atheists as one group. We can&#8217;t have the religious going to the humanists, because that means we&#8217;re still marginalized as atheists. To advance atheism, we have to be atheists as a group.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>Um. Who are not humanists? Is &#8220;You go to your hell, you crazy religious bastards&#8221; what humanists say?  Who are not rational? Is it those who evoke unproven theories and squeeze and mold them to meet one&#8217;s needs?  Who again? And how could Malcolm and Martin be both different <em>and</em> one group?</p>
	<p>What I would really like to see happen: atheist activists take their ball and go play in their own yard. I have nothing against those who work in both fields and know the difference. I know many. Most I would consider secular activists rather than atheists. But people like AronRa and Tom Melchiorre make the job of Skeptics much more difficult when they, or those like them, claim to be fighting the same fight as Skeptics. Although I did not sense that AronRa or Melchiorre were familiar with Skepticism, Richard Dawkins and Rebecca Watson suggested that Skepticism and Atheism are interchangeable (and they are not alone, not by a long shot).</p>
	<p>In Part III, I will talk about offensive ignorance, arrogance, and the Dunning-Kruger Effect.</p>
	<p>&nbsp;</p>
	<p>*&#8221;Big-S Skepticism&#8221; refers to the work of the skepticism movement in promoting the practice of skepticism.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I was planning a short rant about some ironically irrational arguments made by self-described rationalists at the World Atheist Convention in Dublin a couple of months ago. However, events of the past two weeks have left me frustrated, angry, and a little bit sick. Since they are all connected, I have decided to discuss them together in one long post, &#8230; <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-i-the-elephant-in-the-room/" class="read_more">Keep Reading...</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was planning a short rant about some ironically irrational arguments made by self-described rationalists at the World Atheist Convention in Dublin a couple of months ago. However, events of the past two weeks have left me frustrated, angry, and a little bit sick. Since they are all connected, I have decided to discuss them together in one long post, broken into three parts for easier reading.</p>
	<h4>The Nutshell</h4>
	<p>Arguments over scope and the conflation of atheism and skepticism have reached a fever pitch, as have arguments over tone. I will talk about some of this, but I will not attempt to explain all of the issues in any detail because everything that needs to be said has been said <a href=" http://skepticblog.org/2010/09/10/further-thoughts-on-the-ethics-of-skepticism/">here</a> and <a href="http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2010/08/phil-plaits-dont-be-dick-speech.html">here</a> and <a href="http://indieskeptics.com/2010/10/14/taking-pride-in-ones-brand/">here</a> and <a href="http://podblack.com/2010/11/the-conflation-of-skepticism-and-atheism-fact-or-fiction/">here</a> and <a href=" http://skepticblog.org/2011/06/21/a-prehistory-of-dbad/">here</a> and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2010/07/dont_be_a_dick.php ">here</a> and <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/07/02/science-of-honey-and-vinegar/">here</a> and <a href="http://indieskeptics.com/2010/11/16/are-atheists-delusional-thoughts-on-skepticon3/">here</a> and <a href=" http://hw.libsyn.com/p/9/d/c/9dca2b35d80d4b66/loxton.mp3?sid=eeb9de2b8e61afe973f36ff8d2645693&amp;l_sid=19147&amp;l_eid=&amp;l_mid=1792650">here</a>… Well, you get the picture. In fact, if you want to argue the definition of skepticism or Skepticism* in the comments of this post, don&#8217;t bother. Instead, read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/04/scientific-skepticism-a-tutorial/">what I wrote</a> about it last year, which I would simply repeat in answer. It is clear from the comments on these posts that those who need to are not listening and I am rarely in the mood to spin my wheels. Instead, I will try to focus on the main reason these arguments should not be abandoned: it would be bad Skepticism.</p>
	<p>In my opinion, the tone and scope arguments dance around a bigger problem and I do not believe that we can afford to ignore the elephants in the room any longer. We should not give people &#8216;a pass&#8217; simply because they claim to be on our side.</p>
	<p>In both his <a href=" http://youtu.be/zEP50dxfRAw">TAM6</a> and TAM9 keynote addresses, Neil deGrasse Tyson talked about a letter he wrote to the editor of The New York Times regarding a case in which a teacher was accused of promoting creationist-style anti-science (bold mine):</p>
	<blockquote><p>To the Editor:</p>
	<p>People cited violation of the First Amendment when a New Jersey schoolteacher asserted that evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific and that Noah&#8217;s ark carried dinosaurs.</p>
	<p>This case is not about the need to separate church and state; <strong>it&#8217;s about the need to separate ignorant, scientifically illiterate people from the ranks of teachers</strong>.</p>
	<p>Neil deGrasse Tyson<br />
New York, Dec. 19, 2006</p></blockquote>
	<p>Similarly, what I suggest is this: Skepticism, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by the blatant ignorance, arrogance, and irrationality displayed when those acts are committed.</p>
	<p>In a field dedicated to reducing ignorance and irrationality, a field in which arrogance is toxic, I find this kind of behavior offensive. It is time that we reclaim Skepticism and restore its credibility and integrity.</p>
	<h5>A Tiny Bit of Background</h5>
	<p>The issues of tone and scope have been <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2011/06/21/a-prehistory-of-dbad/"> widely discussed for years</a>, but Phil Plait&#8217;s now famous <a href="http://vimeo.com/13704095">&#8220;Don&#8217;t be a Dick&#8221; speech </a> at TAM8 has become a centerpiece in the debate over tone and <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/08/27/war-over-nice/">Daniel Loxton</a> has become its whipping boy. Daniel also advocates for the limitation of scope for the movement for several reasons. It is the most basic of these limitations that seem to kick up the most dust: empirical claims. It is the dust around religion that I would like to talk about in these posts.</p>
	<p>But before I do, let me say this about tone: decades of research tells us that it matters. The next time you read something like, &#8220;Neither method is well-supported&#8221; or &#8220;They can&#8217;t prove that my way doesn&#8217;t work&#8221;, remember that the Discovery Institute still produces propaganda about the <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html">irreducible complexity of baterial flagella</a>, despite having been educated about the clear and indisputable counter-evidence repeatedly over the past decade. Then read Tavris &amp; Aronson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986"><em>Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me)</em></a>.</p>
	<p>What the research tells us is that swearing, sarcasm, and ridicule are great ways to rally your followers and gain new followers. This behavior polarizes groupthink, excites, incites, strengthens group cohesion, and promotes &#8216;othering&#8217; of outgroup members. The target of ridicule and sarcasm is extremely likely to polarize as well, adhering more strongly to their beliefs** as those beliefs are threatened. Although direct and non-confrontational criticism of a belief is not likely to change the mind of the believer either, it is a seed with chance to germinate and is less likely to strengthen the belief.</p>
	<p>Just so that you don&#8217;t think that I am a hypocrite, I will say right now that have very little hope that the targets of my criticisms in these posts will allow anything to grow; that soil is hostile. Planting seeds is not my goal. Okay, enough background. Let&#8217;s get back to the point:</p>
	<p><strong><em>Skepticism 2.x has been costly.</em></strong></p>
	<p>It is unclear when the tide turned, but at some point the expansion of skepticism as a movement began to get ugly. With &#8220;Skepticism 2.0&#8243;, the rise of wonderful and creative independent and grassroots efforts made possible by technology, came a wave of fresh new voices. Unfortunately, this has coincided with changes in culture and education practices which seem to be rooted in the United States, but are spreading beyond our borders very quickly &#8211; practices which reinforce shallow thinking when it is accompanied by overconfidence. The result is that too many of the new voices are – to borrow wording from <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/">Greg Laden</a> &#8211; speaking out of their nether regions.</p>
	<p>One factor is that self-identified skeptics in general do not seem to be much more rational than the general public. Intelligence is not enough. A rational person is one who has two things:</p>
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	<li>the tools (knowledge and intelligence) to reason well in a given situation.</li>
	<li>open-mindedness and flexibility of thought; the ability to consider that their current knowledge might be wrong.</li>
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	<p>Without both of these characteristics, individuals resolve cognitive dissonance in all manner of ways except the rational way, which is to alter their current knowledge to accommodate new evidence. I do not believe that anyone has done the research, but it makes sense that self-described skeptics and atheists have more of the first characteristic than the general public. Atheism is correlated with education and IQ; it seems reasonable that skepticism would be as well. However, I have seen little evidence that, beyond many successful professional skeptics and scientists, they are any more open-minded or flexible than the general public. In fact, I would not be surprised to find that the opposite is generally true. And although there is &#8220;generational&#8221; component to this phenomenon, some of the most stubborn people that I have seen in the Q &amp; A sessions at meetings, shouting that &#8220;some people are JUST WRONG!!&#8221; and putting people into two categories: atheists and irrational people, were middle-aged white men.</p>
	<p>The behaviors which, in my opinion, are the most troublesome, are:</p>
	<ul>
	<li><strong>conflating atheism with skepticism.</strong> This goes beyond the old arguments about testability and method vs. conclusion. In recent years, I have see these terms used interchangeably far too often. More and more speakers at major conferences (like TAM) have little connection with Skepticism and more atheism-laden conferences are adopting names and promotional language which suggests that the meeting is about Skepticism. I suspect that the overlap of &#8216;members&#8217; of the atheism and skepticism movements is at the root of this.</li>
	<li><strong>calling for social change related to political ideology or other values.</strong> Attempts by <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shermer/the-case-for-libertariani_b_258500.html">Michael Shermer</a> and Sam Harris to promote their values were at least attempts to provide scientific support for those values. More recently Shermer publicly acknowledged (during the climate change panel at TAM8) that political values are outside the scope of Skepticism. However, there remain a large number of Skeptics who continue to argue for the promotion of &#8216;progressive values&#8217; and Liberal ideology in the name of Skepticism.</li>
	<li><strong>insisting that offending and ridiculing believers is an effective means of outreach.</strong></li>
	</ul>
	<p>These behaviors are troublesome because they impair us in various ways. The impairments are severe enough to see daily if one is on the front lines of grassroots work. For example, recruiting students to my campus club was easy. Retaining them was not. Several of my students abandoned the work they&#8217;d begun after encounters with other &#8216;skeptics&#8217; at meetings and online. This happened with students whose beliefs can be described as agnostic and atheist; imagine if any of my recruits were Christians.</p>
	<p>Even more troublesome than these behaviors is the uneducated groupthink that arises from these behaviors. By &#8216;uneducated&#8217; I mean <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/04/scientific-skepticism-a-tutorial/">incorrect</a>. Or so far afield that it&#8217;s &#8216;not even wrong&#8217;. This ignorance (and refusal to learn) is another very influential factor. If one of the major goals of Skepticism is to educate, shouldn&#8217;t we all understand the material?</p>
	<p>Arrogance and ignorance, along with some shallow thinking, need only a cause to produce mob behavior. Opinions become stronger, more polarized, and more emotionally-laden they are spewed by overconfident people with an audience. When groupthink grows, hate often grows with it.</p>
	<p>There is a very large overlap in the make-up of atheist and skeptic communities. My Facebook friends list is full of people whom I suspect sent requests only because I am an atheist. Despite little interest in atheism or religion, I once supported atheism-related activism. I continue to be a die-hard supporter of secularism. However, I will think twice before supporting any endeavor with the label &#8216;atheism&#8217; in the future. In my opinion, the current climate of the atheist movement is making the work of Skepticism much more difficult. It has become, in my opinion, a septic tank of arrogance and hate.</p>
	<p>For example, when reports spread that the man suspected of killing more than 90 people in Norway was a Christian, I read comment after hate-filled comment on Facebook and Google+ calling for the annihilation of Christians. Comments which claimed that Breivik was mentally ill were quickly attacked under the straw man that mental illness somehow absolves him of responsibility. I don&#8217;t happen to agree that an illness is more than an explanation of behavior (even in court, &#8216;insanity&#8217; is much more than a diagnosis of &#8216;illness&#8217;), but that&#8217;s beside the point. What we wish to be true has no bearing on what <em>is true</em>. Even if, as reported at the time, some of the evidence suggested that he committed these acts as part of a God-loving crusade, the idea that he would not have been just as motivated by some other extreme ideology (e.g., anti-capitalism ideology) is absurd and an individual acting alone is much more likely to be mentally ill than to be part of an organized terrorist effort. His manifesto eventually revealed that he was fueled by <a href="http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/26/breivik-no-christian-nut-just-nuts"><strong>any</strong> ideology</a> that fit into his clearly delusional view of the world.</p>
	<p>Some argued that all terrorists are mentally ill; there is no difference between Breivik and an organization like Al-Qaeda. Or they described all terrorists as &#8216;evil&#8217; – an evil created by religion, as if religion is the only reason that people commit terrible acts. This simply is not reality. Psychologists have studied &#8216;evil&#8217; relentlessly since the atrocities of the holocaust during World War II and we have learned that average people will commit some fairly heinous acts if situational factors are aligned. If we do not recognize that good, sane people are capable of bad acts, we will be helpless to prevent it. What&#8217;s more, such extreme &#8216;othering&#8217; may make us feel better, but it closes our eyes to our own potential for wrongdoing.</p>
	<p>The right-wing propaganda machine has done its best to paint Breivik as an isolated, politically-motivated nut job who was not a Christian. This is clearly wrong. However, painting him as part of a Christian terrorism-laden culture is equally wrong and serves only to fuel even more hatred. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/anders-breivik-facebook-hatred">Hate breeds hate.</a> Following are some examples of the kind of hate that I see growing among atheists.</p>
	<p><em>A comment on a link to a report that the Westboro Baptists plan to protest at the funerals of the Norway victims made by a now ex-Facebook friend who claims to work for &#8216;The God Killers Inc&#8217; (and two replies): </em></p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;FUCK THE Westboro Baptist Cult, and the God they pray to. I hope someone guns down this whole fucking group of hate fueling motherfuckers.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Hopefully the Norwegians will take them into custodian at the airport then fly them far north and dump them on a shrinking iceberg!&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;I always wondered why that hasn&#8217;t happened already? What a sad world we live in where innocent children are slaughtered and WBC isn&#8217;t? WTF OMG LMFAO&#8230;not really <img src='http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8220;</p></blockquote>
	<p><em>A Status update from the same &#8216;God Killer&#8217; quoted above: </em></p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;Got banned on Teens Need Jesus page for telling the truth on the BS they were slinging trying to suck teens into their cult. Only took 1 day before I got banned this time. The Truth Is Consider A Crime By The Religitards.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p><em>A commenter wrote this about a member of a Christian teens group: </em></p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;sick fucks are everywhere and need to be grouped together and sent to antartica or somewhere nice and cold&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>&nbsp;</p>
	<p><em>…then posted a warning about a Facebook virus without first doing a simple search to find out if it was a hoax (it is).</em></p>
	<p>Another now ex-Facebook friend whose comment, &#8220;fucking religitards!&#8221; prompted me to visit his wall, which reveals contact information that includes links to several Herbalife sites. His &#8216;activities and interests&#8217; section includes &#8216;fuck Walmart&#8217;, &#8216;fuck religion&#8217;, &#8216;profanity&#8217;, and &#8216;rationalism&#8217;. Yeah, &#8216;rationalism&#8217;. Because God is fucking stupid and Walmart is fucking evil, but Herbalife really works, right?</p>
	<p>Finally, one former Facebook friend blew me away with this series of equal-opportunity status updates and link introductions:</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;The fat behind the desk rush said the heat index is all made by the government. And the earth is cooling f ing idiot&#8221;<br />
- on an article about Rush Limbaugh</p>
	<p>&#8220;Xtains fundies are diferent musnutts fundies&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;This guy is bat shit crazy and be taken awaywith men in white coats&#8221; &#8211; about Glenn Beck</p>
	<p>&#8220;Pat was funny he&#8217;s jusy bat shit crazy now.&#8221; &#8211; on a post titled <em>Tell MSNBC to Fire Pat Buchanan!</em></p>
	<p>&#8220;Another bat shit crazy&#8221; &#8211; about Donald Trump</p>
	<p>&#8220;Just found out 22 dems votedfor bonehead biil the f ing retards&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>And the shocker (bold mine):</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>Hate spreads quickly with the idiots</strong> he he bought his clips from the US&#8221; &#8211; on a link titled <em>Norwegian Shooting Suspect&#8217;s &#8216;Manifesto&#8217; Inspired By American Right-Wing Thinkers</em></p></blockquote>
	<p>Which was followed the next day by:</p>
	<blockquote><p>&#8220;F ing republicnuts I hope they get what coming to them&#8221; &#8211; on an Article in <em>The Daily</em> called <em>How Republicans Screwed the Pooch</em></p></blockquote>
	<p>When I can&#8217;t tell the &#8216;good guys&#8217; from the &#8216;bad guys&#8217;, there are no good guys.</p>
	<p>And this leads me to something I&#8217;ve been trying to write about for weeks. In Part II I will discuss examples of irrationality and hypocrisy at the World Atheist Convention.</p>
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	<p>*&#8221;Big-S Skepticism&#8221; refers to the work of the skepticism movement in promoting the practice of skepticism.</p>
	<p>**In my writings, the word &#8220;belief&#8221; refers to anything that an individual holds to be true. This includes those things that we accept on faith, because of convincing evidence, or as a philosophical conclusion.</p>
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	<p>Maria Walters: Rational. Compassionate. Not an asshole.</p>
	<p><a href="http://skepchick.org/blog/2010/03/skeptic-faith/">Read</a> what she has to say about hypocrisy and self-righteousness in skepticism. </p>
	<p>For my part, I&#8217;d like to say that I know *fundamental christians* whom I judge to be good critical thinkers. Now, I am totally baffled that they are able to maintain that particular faith, but I can&#8217;t say that it is &#8230; <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/03/maria-walters-not-an-asshole/" class="read_more">Keep Reading...</a></p>
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	<p>Maria Walters: Rational. Compassionate. Not an asshole.</p>
	<p><a href="http://skepchick.org/blog/2010/03/skeptic-faith/">Read</a> what she has to say about hypocrisy and self-righteousness in skepticism. </p>
	<p>For my part, I&#8217;d like to say that I know *fundamental christians* whom I judge to be good critical thinkers. Now, I am totally baffled that they are able to maintain that particular faith, but I can&#8217;t say that it is &#8220;selective rationalism&#8221; because we don&#8217;t discuss it at length. <span id="more-500"></span></p>
	<p>There are at least two issues here, but I would like to discuss the specific case of <a href="http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/deist_skeptic_not_a_contradiction">Hal Bidlack</a>, whose name in a tweet prompted responses which let to Maria&#8217;s post. </p>
	<p>What Maria notes about <a href="http://www.hamiltonlives.com/">Hal Bidlack</a> is that he has <a href="http://skepticality.qb1.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=238578">expressed a belief</a> which, by his own admission, was not arrived at through reason. This is not hypocritical. What is hypocritical is to label him an enemy of skepticism, yet blow off <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2008/07/03/penn-teller-and-climate-change">Penn Jillette</a>&#8216;s years of AGW denial &#8211; something he admitted was not founded on reason and I believe currently stands at &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;. These are not sacred cows. These are areas these particular skeptics choose not to overanalyze.</p>
	<p>We are not obligated to apply reason to every aspect of our lives. </p>
	<p>We are obligated to admit when we do not apply reason. We are obligated to refrain from arguing about what we have not reasoned.  We are obligated to ensure that holding onto that belief is not harmful to others (by not acting on it). We are not obligated to force ourselves to follow every argument to its conclusion just because most of our friends do.</p>
	<p>A truly rational person understands that critical evaluation of a claim or belief carries the risk that the conclusion will be unpleasant. Not all truths are pretty. </p>
	<p>Some of us would rather know the truth, regardless of how unpleasant it is. Others find so much comfort in a belief which may or may not be accurate that giving it up is not worth the risk. Why don&#8217;t they have the right to hang onto them without being called a hypocrite?</p>
	<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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	<p>A recent event not included in my last post, but one about which I am very excited, is the release of Daniel Loxton&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-How-Living-Things-Came/dp/1554534305/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1268033848&#038;sr=8-1">Evolution: How We and All Living Things Came to Be</a>.  It is a book aimed at children ages 8 to 13 and covers the basics of natural selection and speciation in the most clear and concise language I have found on this topic so far.<span id="more-465"></span></p>
	<p>Perhaps I am a little biased as I <em>expected</em> a great book, given his track record writing-wise, but even I was surprised by the clarity and creativity of some of the examples. My 9 year old son was looking forward to the illustrations. Daniel sometimes shares his works in progress and both of my art-minded kids (their father&#8217;s influence) think that Mr. Loxton is <strong>awesomrific</strong>. Of course the illustrations did not disappoint, but he was even more intrigued by the discussion of natural selection in a grove of trees. I thought my son understood natural selection quite well, but it seems that his 3rd grade lessons focused on biodiversity and the <em>results</em> of selection. </p>
	<p>I was impressed with a discussion of the often-forgotten limits and compromises in evolution, but that is a lesson my boys learned quite well from playing <a href="http://www.spore.com/ftl">Spore&#8482</a>. </p>
	<p>My 12 year old son, who is obsessed with man&#8217;s origins, wrote a review. Here it is, unedited:</p>
	<blockquote><p><em>Evolution: How We and All living Things Came to Be</em> is a amazing book. It puts a difficult concept into easy to understand words. Digital art recreates dinasaurs, fossils, and prehistoric creatures right on the page. Analogies, comparisons, and visualization helps a young reader grasp this concept. This book directly tackles questions about evolution. In conclusion, cold hard facts and mind-boggling illustrations laced with superior analogies makes <em>Evolution: How We and All living Things Came to Be</em> a must for the young scientist!</p></blockquote>
	<p>It should be obvious by now that we love the book and highly recommend it. It doesn&#8217;t sound like something that skeptics would disagree about, does it?</p>
	<p>Skepticism activists and advocates disagree often and there are a few topics guaranteed to heat up the room. The most volatile is libertarian-style fiscal conservativism, but a close second is the mix of skepticism with atheism. This is a multi-faceted issue with several questions whose answers are debated, the most contentious of which is, &#8220;Can science address questions of faith?&#8221;</p>
	<p>This seems like a simple question, but it is it not. It is really a philosophical question and a rather complicated one. As such, I do not plan to answer it in this post. What I will say is that insulting people of faith by calling them irrational (what they&#8217;ll hear: stupid) is a great way to get their attention, but it would likely ensure that efforts to convince them of the merits of critical thinking are wasted. I also believe that the most important property of science is its lack of arrogance, the open-mindedness that comes with the knowledge that our conclusions depend on the infallibility of a few fundamental principles we assume are true. To deny that 100% certainty is not possible is dogmatic, unreasonable, and anti-science. For that reason, my philosophical position on the matter is irrelevant. I would not claim to know the absolute truth. <font size="-1"><em>Note that open-mindedness should not be taken as an agnotistic stance. I am quite certain that there is no God. I am simply not 100% certain of <strong>anything</strong>.</em></font> </p>
	<p>So, what does this have to do with a kid&#8217;s book on evolution? </p>
	<p>The book includes an answer to the question, &#8220;What about religion?&#8221;</p>
	<p>In his answer, Daniel makes a clear statement that science does not address such questions, nor does it interpret knowledge in a spiritual way. This answer is not an answer at all, but a caveat which absolves science of the responsibility of placing value judgments on its discoveries. This is another extremely important property of science. It is concerned with finding truths, regardless of how ugly or unpleasant those truths are. &#8220;Passing the buck&#8221; is not a matter of dodging the question. It is a matter of preserving the objectivity of science. </p>
	<p>What Daniel has done is to immediately dispel any notions that the content of the book must destroy ones&#8217; faith. For that he has taken a good deal of criticism, but he has also received a good deal of support. Although I am thoroughly disgusted that such a section is necessary, I think it was a wise decision. What we need to do is focus on the fact that there is no debate over the theory of evolution, regardless of how much proponents of misguided-design kick and scream about it. Since that theory is so obviously true, the question of religion is moot.</p>
	<p>Many have <a href="http://www.nycskeptics.org/blog/one-more-on-the-relationship-between-atheism-and-skepticism/">blogged</a> <a href="http://podblack.com/2009/01/the-deist-skeptic-not-a-contradiction/">about</a> <a href="http://www.somecanadianskeptic.com/2009/12/atheism-is-boring-to-me-now-what.html">this</a> issue including (since the book was released) <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/">Daniel</a> <a href="http://skepticblog.org/author/loxton/">himself</a>. Each time it comes up, the comments of the blog which breaches the subject become a bit of a war zone.
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