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		<title>Take Back Skepticism, Part III: The Dunning-Kruger Effect</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, if you have not read Parts I and II, please read them now. The most important parts of those posts are: Arguments over scope and the conflation of atheism and skepticism have reached a fever pitch, as have arguments over tone. I will talk about some of this, but I will not attempt to [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="pf-content"><p>First, if you have not read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-i-the-elephant-in-the-room/">Parts I</a> and <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/">II</a>, please read them now. The most important parts of those posts are:</p>
<blockquote><p>Arguments over scope and the conflation of atheism and skepticism have reached a fever pitch, as have arguments over tone. I will talk about some of this, but I will not attempt to explain all of the issues in any detail because everything that needs to be said has been said <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/09/10/further-thoughts-on-the-ethics-of-skepticism/">here</a> and <a href="http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2010/08/phil-plaits-dont-be-dick-speech.html">here</a> and <a href="http://indieskeptics.com/2010/10/14/taking-pride-in-ones-brand/">here</a> and <a href="http://podblack.com/2010/11/the-conflation-of-skepticism-and-atheism-fact-or-fiction/">here</a> and <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2011/06/21/a-prehistory-of-dbad/">here</a> and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2010/07/dont_be_a_dick.php">here</a> and <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/07/02/science-of-honey-and-vinegar/">here</a> and <a href="http://indieskeptics.com/2010/11/16/are-atheists-delusional-thoughts-on-skepticon3/">here</a> and <a href="http://hw.libsyn.com/p/9/d/c/9dca2b35d80d4b66/loxton.mp3?sid=eeb9de2b8e61afe973f36ff8d2645693&amp;l_sid=19147&amp;l_eid=&amp;l_mid=1792650">here</a>… Well, you get the picture. In fact, if you want to argue the definition of skepticism or Skepticism* in the comments of this post, don&#8217;t bother. Instead, read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/04/scientific-skepticism-a-tutorial/">what I wrote</a> about it last year, which I would simply repeat in answer…</p>
<p>…I suggest is this: Skepticism*, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by the blatant ignorance, arrogance, and irrationality displayed when those acts are committed.</p>
<p>In a field dedicated to reducing ignorance and irrationality, a field in which arrogance is toxic, I find this kind of behavior offensive. It is time that we reclaim Skepticism and restore its credibility and integrity.</p>
<p>If one of the major goals of Skepticism is to educate, shouldn&#8217;t we all understand the material?</p></blockquote>
<p>I am angry. I am angry and a little fearful for our future. We live in dangerous times and the work of Skepticism is serious. The work is hard. It requires patience, discipline, empathy, and knowledge.</p>
<p>I am angry because an influx of people who have stumbled upon or been recruited to the work of Skepticism are making it much more difficult. We&#8217;re moving backwards. This is happening, in part, because some of these rookies insist that their understanding of that work is as good or better than the understanding of people who have studied and worked in the field for years. Many have little or no education in the basics of science or the scientific process. Some claim to follow the teachings of people whose works they have never read. Some believe that the &#8216;old guard&#8217; have more to learn from them than the other way around. These people voice their opinions on blogs and in talks, discussing topics about which they consider themselves competent after reading a couple of blog posts, listening to a podcast, considering their own limited experiences, or MAYBE reading a book or two on the topic.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse, they argue about details with little or no understanding of even the big picture. They believe that their understanding is complete and, therefore, requires no study, no thought beyond the surface features, and certainly not time or mentoring.</p>
<p>This is anti intellectualism in a field which promotes intellect and deep thought.</p>
<p>The problem has bothered me for some time and, in fact, ignorance of one&#8217;s own incompetence is something that bothered me in my classroom so much that <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/06/ignorance-of-incompetenc/">I studied</a> its relationship to academic entitlement, narcissism, external attributions for achievements, and study strategies. What we learned is that narcissism, entitlement, and shallow study strategies are strongly correlated with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect">Dunning-Kruger Effect</a>, which is the phenomenon that the least competent people overestimate their competence the most as part of a self-serving bias. As relative competence increases, overestimations decrease, until the 75th to 95th percentile (depending on the domain), when estimates are fairly accurate. This is particularly problematic in an academic setting because the less students understand a concept, the more likely they are to <em>believe that they understand it</em>, the less likely they are to make changes to ensure that they learn it, and the more likely they will be to feel entitled to a high grade for their poor work.</p>
<p>Skeptical activism is not unlike academics.  Incompetence feeds on itself in this effect. The more an individual overestimates their competence, the more entitled they believe they are to an uncritical audience to which they can voice their opinions. What&#8217;s more, the more <em>confident</em> a blogger appears, the more their audience will reinforce their views (because they convince the audience that they know; the same thing occurs with eye witness testimony), although this is somewhat limited to situations in which the view is shallow enough to for the audience to understand, a perfect enhancement to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.</p>
<p>But high confidence is not an indication of actual understanding, nor is the number of supportive cheers of agreement from their followers.</p>
<p>The rest of this post will focus on one example of this, but there have been countless. This particular example is an especially egregious one, since she attacked both a friend for whom I have a great deal of respect and the field I defend daily. It was back-breaking straw for me.</p>
<p>When <a href=" http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/diversity_skepticism_and_atheism">Amanda Marcotte </a>whined that Daniel Loxton doesn&#8217;t want us to talk about religion, she built a now very familiar straw man and dressed him with inappropriate comparisons and other ignorant rambles. She appears to be upset because she somehow thinks that the usurping of a movement in motion, one which is founded on scientific principles, for the promotion of her personal political and religious ideology, should go unchallenged.</p>
<p>Amanda does not appear to understand what skepticism actually <em>is </em>or what science involves, yet she&#8217;s thrown her hat in, anyway. Perhaps she is insulted that somebody tried to tell her, I really don&#8217;t know, but I do know that the confidence with which she writes about the issues is unwarranted, a fact which is clearly demonstrated by the content of her post.</p>
<p>Amanda wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Look: atheism is the result of applying critical thinking and demands for evidence to the god hypothesis. It&#8217;s not any different than non-belief in all sorts of supernatural claims, such as ESP and ghosts. All of the weaseling around that is intellectually dishonest. It&#8217;s not about critical thinking, but about politics and frankly, not taking on religion because religion is seen as too powerful. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Wrong.</p>
<p>What is intellectually dishonest is arguing about something you do not fully understand against people who are experts in the field. What is intellectually dishonest is advancing an uneducated opinion because the educated one does not help you achieve your own goals.</p>
<p>Her first two sentences demonstrate the problem with this entire post and most of the comments on it: ignorance. The rest of the paragraph is bullshit that Amanda made up. Nobody is &#8216;backing down&#8217; and there is no concern that &#8220;religion is seen as too powerful&#8221;. This is not about politics. <strong>It is about scientific integrity.  </strong>This point has been made again and again, but ignored by people like  Amanda. Perhaps they ignore it because they do not understand it, or maybe they ignore it because it doesn&#8217;t help them, but the reasons don&#8217;t matter. Ignoring it won&#8217;t make it go away.</p>
<p>Science is the pursuit of truth. Truth is not value. Desires are not facts. Facts are not morals.</p>
<p><strong>Scientific integrity requires adherence to scientific principles. Likewise, scientific skepticism relies on scientific integrity. Otherwise, we are just a bunch of people with opinions.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>… Loxton decided to shit all over the work of people looking at improving gender, sexual oriention, class, and race diversity in the movement by complaining that the panel at The Amazing Meeting dedicated to this didn&#8217;t have any fucking Christians on it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, she&#8217;s just making stuff up. Daniel noted that the diversity of the panel did not reflect the diversity of the audience in one important aspect. Framing this as &#8220;complaining that there were no Christians&#8221; is dishonest and the implication that Daniel does not care about issues of gender, class, and race is simply unfounded and abhorrent. Anyone who actually knows Daniel understands just how stupid that accusation is.</p>
<blockquote><p>He firmly believes that the god hypothesis should be off-limits for skeptics, and that there should be a bright line between atheism and skepticism. This is ridiculous. &#8220;God&#8221; is a supernatural claim just like fairies and ghosts.</p></blockquote>
<p>This statement, once again, not only demonstrates gross ignorance and shallow thinking, but the fact that she&#8217;s written an entire blog post questioning the knowledge of a professional skeptic on very basic definitions of the field <em>without first educating herself</em> is offensive and disrespectful. Had she even tried to understand the issues, a task which takes time and energy, she might have learned enough to at least recognize that she has a lot more to learn.</p>
<p>But I am clearly expecting too much, because Amanda thinks that &#8220;I don&#8217;t get it&#8221; equates to &#8220;It must not be true&#8221; as demonstrated by this parroting of Skeptical sound bites and bullet points, mostly taken out of context or misused (bold mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>The excuse from &#8220;traditional&#8221; skeptics for making an exception for religion is that the god hypothesis is an untestable claim, and they&#8217;re only interested in testable claims. But as this fairy example shows, that&#8217;s not really true. There are plenty of things skeptics are skeptical about because of the preponderance-of-evidence standard. We don&#8217;t believe in ESP or ghosts or fairies because no one has ever produced solid evidence in favor of these things existing, and we combine that with an assumption that these things are highly unlikely and so the burden is on the people making the claims to prove them. <strong>I don&#8217;t see how god is any different.</strong></p>
<p>… Yes, it&#8217;s true that you can&#8217;t test whether or not there is a god somewhere that simply refuses to show himself, but that&#8217;s also true of fairies, people with ESP, and ghosts. And yet it&#8217;s considered a good use of skeptical time to point out the weakness of the ghost/ESP argument. So why not god?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>She doesn&#8217;t &#8216;see it&#8217;, so it doesn&#8217;t exist. I hate to add to the sound bites when what is needed here is serious coursework, but there are some basic concepts that could help Amanda &#8220;see how&#8221; these things are different, starting with breaking down some of her giant straw man. Here are a few basic points that Amanda should have known before she wrote this post:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Science is <em>empirical</em>, therefore scientific skepticism is <em>empirical</em>.</strong> This is more important than testability, although it is related. NOTE FOR THE RECORD: The concept of testability is watered down somewhat in my posts and comments because it is complicated. For a good discussion of these issues, I recommend Carl Sagan&#8217;s <em>Demon-Haunted World</em>.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Skeptics do not &#8220;make exceptions&#8221; for religion.</strong> The fact that &#8220;God exists&#8221; is not an empirically testable hypothesis is not the fault of skeptics or Skepticism. It is the nature of the hypothesis. Science and skepticism have nothing to say about <em>any</em> hypothesis which can never be tested empirically.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Skepticism is not a set of beliefs or conclusions.</strong> This is important. &#8220;We don&#8217;t believe in ESP or ghosts or fairies&#8221; is not something that a good skeptic would say and the &#8216;we&#8217; part is presumptuous. I certainly do not want someone like Amanda Marcotte speaking for me if this what she thinks skepticism is.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>What any Skeptic believes is irrelevant.</strong> Personal knowledge is derived in whatever way the individual chooses to derive it. Science and skepticism deal with <em>shared knowledge.</em> Shared knowledge requires empirical evidence.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>The reason that we can easily discount ESP in most cases is because it is usually easily tested empirically.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Requiring empirical testability is not &#8220;giving religion a pass&#8221;. It is holding true to the scientific process</strong>, which is designed specifically to ensure that our human biases and personal values do not affect our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true. Religion&#8217;s most basic claims usually involve an omniscient and omnipotent being, making them largely untestable. This is not at all true of ESP, ghosts, or other traditional topics in skepticism. More on that below.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>A good skeptic would never state that there are no ghosts.</strong> A good skeptic would investigate specific claims of hauntings, searching for natural phenomenon which would explain the evidence. A good skeptic would not say there is no such thing as extrasensory perception. A good skeptic would say that <em>we have no evidence to support</em> precognition, telekinesis, etc.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Skepticism is not about pointing out the weaknesses of arguments. It is about evaluating the evidence.</strong> These are not even close to being the same. When a self-proclaimed psychic moves the bar and says, &#8220;If it failed the test, then the forces that give me these powers do not want to be seen,&#8221; they make their claim untestable. Skeptics then have nothing to say in response. However, skeptics can provide natural explanations for phenomena (e.g., reveal that <a href="http://youtu.be/M9w7jHYriFo" target="_blank">Peter Popoff</a> was being fed information via an ear piece) which are much more parsimonious than supernatural explanations. This is also what we do with religious claims. If someone claims that God created man as he is today, we can point to the evidence which support the theory of evolution. If they claim that God created the universe, we can point to the evidence for the Big Bang. If they claim that God created the universe and man <em>by making these natural processes possible</em>, well then, we cannot refute that.</li>
</ul>
<p>But Amanda would like to cast out Pamela Gay because Pamela believes in a personal God. Never mind the fact that she has never tried to sell that view to others, that she never claimed to support it with evidence, or that she is a <em>very competent</em> and knowledgeable Skeptic, scientist, science educator, and science communicator. Nevermind that Pamela Gay is a valued member of the Skeptical community who has done more to educate and excite young minds about science than all but a few others. [NOTE: minor edit for clarity, 08/07/11 9:50am]</p>
<p>Pamela Gay is not being <em>ir</em>rational. Amanda Marcotte is.</p>
<p>Marcotte&#8217;s diet example is another case of irrelevant comparison. She states, sarcastically, that people are also touchy about their diet and so expressing skepticism about food trends is probably bad idea, too. This is clearly a straw man. We can demonstrate the effects of gluten empirically, so it is a poor comparison, too. Nobody is saying that people should not express skepticism about the existence of a God. What we are saying is that we <em>cannot</em> demonstrate empirically that God does not exist, therefore, if that is your conclusion,<em> you cannot share that conclusion with others. </em>The difference between personal knowledge and shared knowledge is not trivial.</p>
<p>Making others comfortable is not the issue, either, although making people uncomfortable out of arrogance and ignorance is certainly a part of the issue. I would like to point out that Amanda&#8217;s double-standard is pretty obvious in that paragraph. Apparently, the needs that matter are the needs of those <em>she</em> thinks deserve our attention and that&#8217;s it. But while we&#8217;re on the subject, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you are promoting skepticism, atheism, or your favorite restaurant. Being an asshole is being an asshole. The reason that DBAD matters to the rest of us is that when a dick represents Skepticism, they make our jobs more difficult.</p>
<p>The issue of scope is more complicated than the atheism/skepticism debate. The only reason that religion is given special consideration <em>in the discussions of scope </em>is that there are more people conflating atheism with skepticism than ever before. There are more people acting like superior assholes than ever before. People who could be helped by skeptical outreach as well as people who contribute a great deal to the movement (people like Hal Bidlack, a brilliant, scholarly, honorable man with years of service to the community) have been run off by the relentless arrogance of people like those I have discussed in this series of posts. The ignorant, the arrogant, and the irrational (I&#8217;m picturing monkeys of the &#8216;no evil&#8217; variety, but with interesting facial expressions).</p>
<p>And this problem is growing.</p>
<p>Most of the comments on Amanda&#8217;s post demonstrate a frenzied groupthink that will further convince her that she&#8217;s on the right track. Comment number 41 describes this problem (among others) quite well:<em> &#8220;One cool thing about having a political blog which is allegedly powered by skepticism is that people will be much more tolerant of logical fallacies.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Some of the most fallacious comments:</p>
<blockquote><p>…There’s nothing worse than an agnostic who thinks he’s more logical and skeptical than an openly religious person. Whether you’re an agnostic or a believer you’re engaging in special pleading on the god question, subjecting it to a different standard than any other question of existence, and you are not a skeptic nor are you logical.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Special pleading&#8221; is a straw man that is repeated often. But it is just that: a straw man.</p>
<blockquote><p>what the hell is skepticism <em>for</em> if not doing away with false beliefs?</p></blockquote>
<p>More ignorance. There is no such thing as a &#8216;false belief&#8217;. Beliefs are simply what you hold to be true. Nobody actually knows for certain what is true. Skepticism is about evaluating evidence, period.</p>
<blockquote><p>H0: There is no god. H1: There is a god. There is a serious shortage of evidence for H1, therefore we must accept the null hypothesis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Introductory statistics cannot address the question of whether or not God exists.</p>
<blockquote><p>If there’s a lack of humanpower and ressources to do everything, the question skeptics organizations should ask themselves is not why they should get involved in the more political aspects of skepticism, but why they should still waste ressources on the trivial, non-political aspects like Bigfoot/UFO/ghost/cryptozoology debunkings and such.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow. This is very disturbing, and I&#8217;m not just talking about the spelling or misuse of words like &#8220;aspects&#8221;. Apparently many commenters don&#8217;t watch television or get out of the house much. The number of shows devoted to ghost hunting alone is staggering. Then there are the shows about psychics of all ages, animal mind readers, monster hunting, etc. These shows are <em>appearing on channels once devoted to science</em>, for FSM&#8217;s sake. As for why we don&#8217;t get involved in politics, read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2010/04/scientific-skepticism-a-tutorial/">this</a>.</p>
<p>And anyone who is interested in the bigger picture – the picture concerned about meeting the goals of the movement – should read Comment number 75 on Amanda&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>The parroting that atheism is the result of applied skepticism that is so prevalent in the comments and stated in Amanda&#8217;s post is <strong>anti-skeptical</strong>. It demonstrates a failure to understand the fundamental process of skepticism and the empirical nature of science and scientific skepticism. The definitions of science and scientific skepticism were arrived at through centuries of study, collaboration, contemplation, and discussion. They are not negotiable, at least not without agreement from a vast majority of <em><strong>scientists.</strong></em>  If you cannot accept these definitions as they are, you have three choices:</p>
<ol>
<li>Publish your opinions in peer-reviewed journals and hope that philosophers and scientists agree with you.</li>
<li>Keep arguing about it with Skeptics and impede our progress.</li>
<li>Go do something else.</li>
</ol>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>*&#8221;Big-S Skepticism&#8221; refers to the work of the skepticism movement in promoting the practice of skepticism.</p>
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		<title>Take Back Skepticism, Part II: The Overkill Window</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Drescher]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, if you have not read Part I, please read it now. The most important part of that post is: …I suggest is this: Skepticism, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="pf-content"><p>First, if you have not read <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-i-the-elephant-in-the-room">Part I</a>, please read it now. The most important part of that post is:</p>
<blockquote><p>…I suggest is this: Skepticism, as a movement, is not hindered so much by the conflation of atheism and skepticism, the ridicule of believers, or attempts to promote values-based ideology as it is hindered by the blatant ignorance, arrogance, and irrationality displayed when those acts are committed.</p>
<p>In a field dedicated to reducing ignorance and irrationality, a field in which arrogance is toxic, I find this kind of behavior offensive. It is time that we reclaim Skepticism and restore its credibility and integrity.</p></blockquote>
<p>And</p>
<blockquote><p>When I can&#8217;t tell the &#8216;good guys&#8217; from the &#8216;bad guys&#8217;, there are no good guys.</p></blockquote>
<p>At the World Atheist Convention, there was a panel called <em>Communicating Atheism</em>. Video from this panel was posted to YouTube. The comments were almost as disturbing as the video, with Rebecca Watson on the receiving end of all manner of misogyny (and my definition of this is much narrower than hers) and the others being cheered on without thought to the contradictions in their statements. The most interesting part about this is that the most rational person on the panel, and the one to receive the least support from internet commenters, was the one most closely associated with skeptical movement, Rebecca Watson. Next was Richard Dawkins, who is also associated with Skepticism*, although less so than he is with atheism. The least rational were the other two panel members &#8211; people I had never heard of until I saw this video. All made reasoning errors of some kind.</p>
<p>The panel was about communicating atheism, however, Rebecca chose not to talk about that. Instead she talked about sexism in the atheist movement. It would not be until later that I would discover just how badly this needed to be discussed. I will remind you at this point that I am usually somewhat critical of Rebecca and that this is the very appearance which sparked elevatorgate. Since I <a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/07/on-sexism-objectification-and-power-and-maybe-a-new-era/" target="_blank">have already chimed in</a> on that, it should be no surprise that I have little negative to say here and I will just leave it at that.</p>
<p>The last person to talk (but more rational than the other two) was Richard Dawkins. He made a statement that I appreciate: he specifically stated that he does not advocate ridiculing believers, but rather ridiculing beliefs. I am not generally against ridiculing beliefs myself, however I believe that goals and context are vital in determining if such ridicule is appropriate. But then he really stepped in it. Dawkins is a highly intelligent and relatively rational person, yet he used weasel words. What exactly is this <em>consciousness-raising</em> that he keeps talking about? He did not define it, but suggested that it was akin to <em>enlightenment</em>. These weasel words were the cornerstone of his statement. Flimsy, Dawkins. Really flimsy.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, Dawkins began his statement with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Last year at the TAM conference, Phil Plait got a lot of applause for a talk about how to communicate atheism… uh, and he began by taking a vote of people who used to be religious and were now atheists and he got a great show of hands and then he said, &#8216;How many of you changed your mind as a result of being called an idiotic retard?'&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not at all how I remember it.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s see what Phil really said. After all, <a href="http://vimeo.com/13704095">the video</a> is freely available on the internet and there is even a <a href=" http://www.ooblick.com/weblog/2010/07/14/the-dont-be-a-dick-heard-round-the-world/">partial transcript</a> which includes that opening:</p>
<blockquote><p>Let me ask you a question: how many of you here today used to believe in something — used to, past tense — whether it was flying saucers, psychic powers, religion, anything like that? You can raise your hand if you want to. [lots of hands go up] Not everyone is born a skeptic. A lot of you raised your hand. I’d even say most of you, from what I can tell.</p>
<p>Now let me ask you a second question: how many of you no longer believe in those things, and you became a skeptic, because somebody got in your face, screaming, and called you an idiot, brain-damaged, and a retard? [Very few hands go up]</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the conflation of atheism with skepticism was deliberate, or perhaps he just remembered it that way, but does Dawkins really care so little for his own work that he couldn&#8217;t be bothered to spend five minutes preparing? Really?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa">AronRa</a> is YouTube famous. That&#8217;s all I know about him. He told the story of how he came to be an evangelist for evolution and atheism. Most of what he discussed was anecdotal and he stated that he does not believe that we can be certain of anything – a fundamental scientific principle. However, his &#8216;bottom line&#8217; contradicted all of his statements about truth and science (bold mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>You can&#8217;t reach these people.</strong> Religion has this basis of&#8230; the purpose of it is to make believe &#8211; now where I come from we call that &#8216;pretend&#8217; &#8211; but<strong> that is the goal</strong>. You can&#8217;t question the conviction&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is simply not true. &#8216;Fantasy&#8217; is not the <em>goal</em> or <em>purpose</em> of religion, even if that is what the beliefs boil down to in the end. Many religions even <em>encourage</em> questioning and testing one&#8217;s faith. A great many people have been &#8220;reached&#8221; through education. Think about how many current activists were once people of faith. Michael Shermer studied Christian theology before changing his major and eventually gave up religion, but not without a few years of education and many hours of discussion. Perhaps AronRa isn&#8217;t reaching anyone because his approach does not consider the audience&#8217;s current point of view. If you want to educate people, you need to understand where they are coming from.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;To me, honestly matters. Only accurate information has practical application. And accountability matter. <strong>If you&#8217;re going to teach something, make sure that you&#8217;re going to teach something that is correct.</strong> &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>I could not agree more with this statement, but…</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Faith itself is inherently dishonest because <strong>faith is an unwarranted assumption</strong> that is inserted [sic] with unreasonable conviction. It would be unwise to hold an absolute conviction even when there is evidence, but we&#8217;re talking about<strong> something that it is asserted with no reason at all other than some subjective thing</strong>. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Who says that all, or even most, believers &#8216;hold an absolute conviction&#8217; or even that their beliefs are &#8216;unwarranted&#8217;? Who says that they have &#8216;no reason at all&#8217; to believe? Do believers all agree that their evidence is subjective? Is subjective experience worthless? Does it equate to &#8220;no reason at all&#8221;? Absurd.</p>
<p>Then he finishes with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Some of us have a need to believe and others have the desire to understand. Those who have a desire to understand will improve their perspective and will find the faults and will correct them. Those who have the need to believe will not correct anything and will remain just as wrong as they started out, at least.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>AronRa doesn&#8217;t know why people believe. </strong> Belief is not that simple.</p>
<p>Most people think that their beliefs are rational and that the beliefs of other people are emotional or otherwise irrational. This is a good example of the self-serving bias, which is probably second only to the confirmation bias in driving human behaviors today. For example, when Michael Shermer asked readers with religious beliefs why they believe in God, the most popular answers were related to rational arguments and the complexity of the universe. However, when he asked those same preople why <em>others</em> believed, the most popular answer was because it is comforting; belief is consoling and gives meaning and purpose to life. In other words, &#8220;I believe because I am rational. You believe because you need to.&#8221;</p>
<p>AronRa makes assumptions about why people believe because he does not understand why other people cannot see the world as he does. He discounts their reasons for believing. He discounts the evidence that they believe they have seen with their own eyes or heard with their own ears. It doesn&#8217;t matter if their evidence is refutable because they do not believe that their claims have been refuted; usually, it is not the evidence that is the problem, but one&#8217;s interpretation of it.</p>
<p>Essentially, AronRa&#8217;s claim that these people have no reason to believe is arrogant and disrespectful. What&#8217;s more is that he makes this claim with no evidence to support it, which is ironic. He placed people into two categories: those who need to believe and those who want to understand, a false dichotomy if I&#8217;ve ever heard one. People are much much, much more complicated than this. AronRa&#8217;s assertion also assumes that everyone <em>has the capacity</em> to understand. AronRa believes – assumes &#8211; that <em>he</em> is rational, yet in the midst of his criticism of others is an irrational argument to promote his beliefs about the difference between atheists and theists, a belief grounded in a little bit of casual observation and whole lot of assumption. How is this different from religion?</p>
<p>Then the most offensive and irrational panelist spoke. Tom Melchiorre&#8217;s <a href="http://www.atheistalliance.org/" rel="nofollow">website</a> sports the tag line, &#8220;Making a World of Difference With a Positive Voice for Atheism&#8221;. Positive. Right.</p>
<p>Mr. Melchiorre talks about &#8220;&#8230;not just communicating atheism, but <em>advancing</em> atheism.&#8221; So, he is not just interested in secularism. He is not just interested in the right not to practice a religion. But he is also clearly not talking about education, so how does a lack of belief in something <em>advance</em>? As for the &#8220;positive&#8221; part, when discussing a model for activism, he mentions a motto of the LGBT movement, &#8220;We&#8217;re here. We&#8217;re queer. Get used to it.&#8221; But he says,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have a version that&#8217;s &#8216;We&#8217;re here, you go to your hell, you crazy religious bastards. Get used to it.'&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This, of course, receives a round of laughter and applause. Melchiorre then justifies his meanness and intolerance by giving a history lesson. I wondered, though, if Melchiorre was also from Texas (AronRa&#8217;s home), because his version of history was definitely a little bit tilted:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Malcolm X was a very dark black and he wore very dark clothes and he spoke ominously. He scared the shit out of white people&#8230;they did violence &#8211; verses Martin Luther King, who was strictly passivist&#8230;In reality, Martin Luther King in his movement as a pacifist would not have gotten as far as fast had Malcolm X not provided an extreme opposite and pretty much forced the white population in power to say, &#8216;Okay, we don&#8217;t want to deal with this violent black civil rights person, so who do we deal with? Oh, here&#8217;s this nice sweet guy over here, Martin Luther King, Jr., very pacifist.&#8217; But who&#8217;s to say the two of them were not talking behind the scenes?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>At this point, Richard Dawkins did a double-take. That last sentence is very enlightening; Melchiorre is just making stuff up. <em>That</em> is fantasy.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We need to have a second movement of atheism along side the hardcore &#8211; the hard atheists, the new atheists, and that&#8217;s pretty much what I&#8217;m calling the soft atheists, or the pacifist atheists. So that when the religious get a little upset and want to do something about our demands, but are afraid to talk to us angry, hardcore, confrontational, hostile, evil atheists, they don&#8217;t have to. They can go next door and talk to the softer, gentler, you know, pretty atheists who don&#8217;t shout at them.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Melchiorre never mentioned The Overton Window, but some of the language he uses (such as &#8220;demands&#8221;) is reminiscent of other discussions about the application of this theory in other realms and <a href="http://blog.evangelicalrealism.com/2010/10/16/framing-atheism/">discussions</a> on the blogosphere last year about the relative contributions of MLK and X in the movement.  His description above fits with suggestions of <a href="http://www.mackinac.org/7504">The Overton Window</a> quite well and even sounds a little like something out of Glenn Beck&#8217;s novel <em>The Overton Window</em>. No, I didn&#8217;t read it, but I have read some of one blogger&#8217;s <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/09/overton-window-chapter-ten.html">review</a> of it:</p>
<blockquote><p>This, perhaps (though I am open to suggestions otherwise) is the most ridiculous moment of the chapter:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just like Dr. King, we aim to eliminate evil, not those who perpetrate it. To speak of violence in any form is to play right into the hands of those who oppose us. They’ve already invested countless hours into portraying us as violent, hateful racists, and they are just waiting for the chance to further that story line. Don’t give it to them. Instead of Bill Ayers, give them Benjamin Franklin. Instead of Malcolm X, give them Rosa Parks. Instead of bin Laden, give them Gandhi.</p></blockquote>
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<p>The Overton Window is well known in the field of activism (Desiree Schell talked about it in her talk at TAM9) and I have been told that &#8216;new atheists&#8217; sometimes evoke it, although I have not read much of this myself (I do not tend to follow their conversations). However, there is no scientific support for this theory.</p>
<p>The Overton Window simply describes any set of cultural norms. It also <em>attempts</em> to explain how those norms can be changed. Unfortunately, I did not find it in any of the academic literature in political science or sociology. The Overton Window is a pop-political science (bordering on pseudoscientific) concept based on a technique for persuasion called &#8220;door in the face&#8221;, which <em>is</em> found in abundance in the psychological literature. The <em>door in the face</em> technique starts with a much larger request than one hopes will be accepted. For example, if you were a charity asking for money and hoping for $50 from each household, you might ask for $500 to start. Once this request is refused and you ask for $50, the new request seems reasonable in comparison. You are much more likely to receive something from the target than if you simply asked for $50 outright.</p>
<p>The idea of The Overton Window theory is that starting with outrageous demands such as &#8220;abolish public schools!&#8221; will move the window of acceptable demands enough to receive support for what you really want (e.g., school vouchers).</p>
<p>There are probably some kernels of truth to this theory and the tactics it dictates may work in some specific situations, but lasting change is unlikely. Humans are very good at anchoring and adjusting. In other words, we use points for comparison. However, psychological effects involve the behavior of<em> individuals</em> <em>on average</em> and in a limited set of situations. <em>Groups</em> of people are not individuals and do not behave like individuals. Political affiliation, religion, and other attitudes are often much, much more complicated than such a simple theory could predict. There are many more factors involved in what makes culture. For example, who says that <em>anyone</em> has to listen to either the person with the extreme view <em>or</em> the moderate? And, as Desiree Shell mentioned, even the theory says that people need to be able to tell the difference between these two and they need to care about that difference.</p>
<p>There is an abundance of literature which suggests that the stronger or harder the sell, the less likely an individual will respond by changing their view. They are much more likely to become more polarized in the other direction. Skeptics demonstrate this all the time. So do atheists. What are believers to think when they meet activists who approach believers with belligerence, insults, and arrogance? It is more likely to mistrust any atheist than they are to compare the behavior to that of other atheists they meet.  My prediction, or rather an analogy of what I predict, is found in the comic I commissioned from my son(click to enlarge), dubbed <em>The Overkill Window</em>.</p>
<p><a href="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-content/media/2011/08/OWComic2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1001" title="OWComic2" src="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-content/media/2011/08/OWComic2-600x645.jpg" alt="The Overkill Window" width="600" height="645" /></a></p>
<p>Even if he was not thinking of The Overton Window, Melchiorre&#8217;s example of Malcolm and Martin is a story, nothing more. There is no evidence to support the history he described. In fact, it is not the most parsimonious explanation for the success of the civil rights movement. During the 1950s and 60s baby boomers were hitting puberty and early adolescence. What happens during adolescence? Kids rebel. Against everything. The Korean War, the impending Vietnam War, the momentum of civil rights prior to this time, the fact that the black community in the United States grew much more quickly than the white community, and many other factors overshadow the inner conflicts in the movement itself.</p>
<p>Melchiorre&#8217;s suggestion that Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were collaborating is<em> completely</em> irrational. He said this with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and even provided the counter-evidence that they met only once. But he saved the most offensive stuff for the end (bold mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;They can go next door and talk to the softer, gentler, you know, pretty atheists who don&#8217;t shout at them. Now, <strong>those are not humanists. Those are not freethinkers. Those are not rationalists.</strong> All of whom pretty much share our view, they just go by a different name. But if we want to communicate and advance atheism, we have to deal with the religious as one group. Atheists as one group. We can&#8217;t have the religious going to the humanists, because that means we&#8217;re still marginalized as atheists. To advance atheism, we have to be atheists as a group.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Um. Who are not humanists? Is &#8220;You go to your hell, you crazy religious bastards&#8221; what humanists say?  Who are not rational? Is it those who evoke unproven theories and squeeze and mold them to meet one&#8217;s needs?  Who again? And how could Malcolm and Martin be both different <em>and</em> one group?</p>
<p>What I would really like to see happen: atheist activists take their ball and go play in their own yard. I have nothing against those who work in both fields and know the difference. I know many. Most I would consider secular activists rather than atheists. But people like AronRa and Tom Melchiorre make the job of Skeptics much more difficult when they, or those like them, claim to be fighting the same fight as Skeptics. Although I did not sense that AronRa or Melchiorre were familiar with Skepticism, Richard Dawkins and Rebecca Watson suggested that Skepticism and Atheism are interchangeable (and they are not alone, not by a long shot).</p>
<p>In Part III, I will talk about offensive ignorance, arrogance, and the Dunning-Kruger Effect.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>*&#8221;Big-S Skepticism&#8221; refers to the work of the skepticism movement in promoting the practice of skepticism.</p>
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