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	<title>Comments on: Why Skeptics Pick On Jenny McCarthy and Bill Maher</title>
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		<title>By: MosesZD</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-14585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MosesZD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like your blog, I was beginning to wonder what happened.   Glad to see another post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your blog, I was beginning to wonder what happened.   Glad to see another post.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Drescher</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Drescher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might want to read this again more carefully, then read the links I provided.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read this again more carefully, then read the links I provided.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think people like jenny m should be educated about the issue. we have science on our side should&#039;nt we be able to show her the truth of the situation? does this problem speak to the accessibility of science to the general public? is it just to difficult to explain the intricacies of science on certain issues?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think people like jenny m should be educated about the issue. we have science on our side should&#8217;nt we be able to show her the truth of the situation? does this problem speak to the accessibility of science to the general public? is it just to difficult to explain the intricacies of science on certain issues?</p>
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		<title>By: John C.+Welch</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John C.+Welch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exactly, although it&#039;s not limited to Rebecca Watson or anyone else.

If we are going to use &quot;it&#039;s just comedy&quot; or &quot;they aren&#039;t a scientist/engineer/expert&quot; as a justification, then let us be consistent. If it is used to justify the glaring errors in Watson&#039;s talk, then the same bye should apply to:

Creationists
Anti-Vaxxers like Jenny McCarthy &amp; Bill Maher
Climate Change Deniers
People we do NOT agree with just as much as people we DO agree with.

Or, we can admit that comedy is not a bye for actual factual errors, regardless of who makes them. We can expect people talking about a technical topic or referencing a field of science to have done the minimal research required to verify the validity of their talking points.

If lack of &quot;official&quot; qualifications is a bye for *some* people, then basic consistency would require us to allow the same bye for *all* people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly, although it&#8217;s not limited to Rebecca Watson or anyone else.</p>
<p>If we are going to use &#8220;it&#8217;s just comedy&#8221; or &#8220;they aren&#8217;t a scientist/engineer/expert&#8221; as a justification, then let us be consistent. If it is used to justify the glaring errors in Watson&#8217;s talk, then the same bye should apply to:</p>
<p>Creationists<br />
Anti-Vaxxers like Jenny McCarthy &amp; Bill Maher<br />
Climate Change Deniers<br />
People we do NOT agree with just as much as people we DO agree with.</p>
<p>Or, we can admit that comedy is not a bye for actual factual errors, regardless of who makes them. We can expect people talking about a technical topic or referencing a field of science to have done the minimal research required to verify the validity of their talking points.</p>
<p>If lack of &#8220;official&#8221; qualifications is a bye for *some* people, then basic consistency would require us to allow the same bye for *all* people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pitchguest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pitchguest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You do realise, julian, that the reason he keeps badgering you is because the excuse &quot;stand-up comedy&quot; or &quot;just joking&quot; has been used to justify Watson&#039;s talk? Since you agree that &quot;just a comedian&quot; doesn&#039;t stand up to scrutiny, would you also then agree that Watson made overly sweeping statements and ignored important aspects in order to discredit evolutionary psychology?

Obviously &quot;just a comedian&quot; is a perfectly fine excuse to have, but let&#039;s have a bit of consistency here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realise, julian, that the reason he keeps badgering you is because the excuse &#8220;stand-up comedy&#8221; or &#8220;just joking&#8221; has been used to justify Watson&#8217;s talk? Since you agree that &#8220;just a comedian&#8221; doesn&#8217;t stand up to scrutiny, would you also then agree that Watson made overly sweeping statements and ignored important aspects in order to discredit evolutionary psychology?</p>
<p>Obviously &#8220;just a comedian&#8221; is a perfectly fine excuse to have, but let&#8217;s have a bit of consistency here.</p>
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		<title>By: John C.+Welch</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John C.+Welch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone I don&#039;t know dislikes me. Shall I take to the interwebs and decry your bullying? Shall I demand protection from such hatred? 

Or shall I pat you on the head as one would an angry toddler, and respond in the kindly, yet condescending way that only a genteel southern lady of advanced years can perfect?

Bless your heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone I don&#8217;t know dislikes me. Shall I take to the interwebs and decry your bullying? Shall I demand protection from such hatred? </p>
<p>Or shall I pat you on the head as one would an angry toddler, and respond in the kindly, yet condescending way that only a genteel southern lady of advanced years can perfect?</p>
<p>Bless your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Madison</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Madison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I can&#039;t judge myself in that way, but I am humbled by that list&quot; is proof that my last paragraph is well said.  The best skeptics exhibit introspection and humility. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t judge myself in that way, but I am humbled by that list&#8221; is proof that my last paragraph is well said.  The best skeptics exhibit introspection and humility. <img src="http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Drescher</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Drescher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, until the last paragraph, that is. I can&#039;t judge myself in that way, but I am humbled by that list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, until the last paragraph, that is. I can&#8217;t judge myself in that way, but I am humbled by that list.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Madison</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Madison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My husband and I earned a reputation for generous support of skeptic endeavors.  We were invited to a fundraiser for a skeptic organization recently, and declined the invitation with a further note that we would not be providing any more financial support because we do not approve of whom they are promoting as spokespeople for skepticism.  (We did not include a list of names in our response.)  Any organization that claims that their mission is to promote skepticism should care about their reputation in fulfilling that mission, and should choose spokespeople who will service as good role models for skepticism.

I don&#039;t consider our decision to be bullying in any way.  My husband and I are not prominent spokespeople for skepticism.  The only way that we can have our voice be heard is to withdraw our financial support.  We refuse to help pay for a platform for loudmouths who fairly consistently fail to behave as one should expect from skeptics.  Particularly, when some of these loudmouths are obviously clueless about what skepticism is.  If someone doesn&#039;t know what it is, they can&#039;t do a good job of promoting it.

If we don&#039;t police ourselves and our own, promoters of hypocrisy, and not skepticism, are what we become. We neglected our duty in this regard, and we have allowed fire-breathing dragons to attain far more prominence then they ever deserved.  Their hyperbolic rhetoric and dismissive snark were amusing when it was directed at pseudoscientists.  It&#039;s not quite so amusing now that it&#039;s being directed at scientists and skeptics.  My husband and I have never been keen on this type of engagement with others.  (People like you, Joe Nickell, Daniel Loxton, Brian Dunning, Sharon Hill, Ray Hyman, Jeff Wagg, and Ben Radford have always been our style.)

Barbara, you are to be commended for your promotion of skepticism through the years, your willingness to speak out about the ideals which the claim of being a skeptic entail, and your efforts to keep the fire-breathing dragons at bay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I earned a reputation for generous support of skeptic endeavors.  We were invited to a fundraiser for a skeptic organization recently, and declined the invitation with a further note that we would not be providing any more financial support because we do not approve of whom they are promoting as spokespeople for skepticism.  (We did not include a list of names in our response.)  Any organization that claims that their mission is to promote skepticism should care about their reputation in fulfilling that mission, and should choose spokespeople who will service as good role models for skepticism.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider our decision to be bullying in any way.  My husband and I are not prominent spokespeople for skepticism.  The only way that we can have our voice be heard is to withdraw our financial support.  We refuse to help pay for a platform for loudmouths who fairly consistently fail to behave as one should expect from skeptics.  Particularly, when some of these loudmouths are obviously clueless about what skepticism is.  If someone doesn&#8217;t know what it is, they can&#8217;t do a good job of promoting it.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t police ourselves and our own, promoters of hypocrisy, and not skepticism, are what we become. We neglected our duty in this regard, and we have allowed fire-breathing dragons to attain far more prominence then they ever deserved.  Their hyperbolic rhetoric and dismissive snark were amusing when it was directed at pseudoscientists.  It&#8217;s not quite so amusing now that it&#8217;s being directed at scientists and skeptics.  My husband and I have never been keen on this type of engagement with others.  (People like you, Joe Nickell, Daniel Loxton, Brian Dunning, Sharon Hill, Ray Hyman, Jeff Wagg, and Ben Radford have always been our style.)</p>
<p>Barbara, you are to be commended for your promotion of skepticism through the years, your willingness to speak out about the ideals which the claim of being a skeptic entail, and your efforts to keep the fire-breathing dragons at bay.</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2012/12/why-skeptics-pick-on-jenny-mccarthy-and-bill-maher/comment-page-1/#comment-13612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[julian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 05:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nevermind. You have a goodnight, Welch. I still hate your guts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind. You have a goodnight, Welch. I still hate your guts.</p>
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