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		<title>By: Volizden</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Volizden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m tempted to make jokes about points flying over heads and such, but I guess it’s more likely that the people complaining that it’s just semantics didn’t actually read the articles.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Hmm well being as I had already stated that I read Part 1 and STOPPED in Part 2 at the point of what appeared to be nit-picking then yeah I didn&#039;t read ALL the articles. I did read up to the point however, So I assume you are meaning that I just glanced through it, Not true. What was it teachers told us in school about our writing?
&quot;if &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; didn&#039;t get &lt;strong&gt;your&lt;/strong&gt; point across, who&#039;s fault is it? The readers?&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The caveat of “I was enjoying it until this point” is an attempt to appear open-minded. Some of the commenters here cam directly from PZ Myers’ post, a post which mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable. Most of them probably skimmed that, but just came here to leave their 2 cents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I, and I center on myself here as I am the only one &quot;complaining&quot; on this thread. did NOT come from PZ&#039;s post. I was directed to here from my google+ site. So your making reaching assumption and even accusation at this point, why? You have already decided NOT to answer the inquiries I posed But you feel the need to try to insult and riducle?

Also if PZ&#039;s Post:
&lt;blockquote&gt; mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then perhaps his mangling and my &quot;misreading&quot; of your points are a fault of bad writing, not our understanding... 

No couldn&#039;t be...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m tempted to make jokes about points flying over heads and such, but I guess it’s more likely that the people complaining that it’s just semantics didn’t actually read the articles.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm well being as I had already stated that I read Part 1 and STOPPED in Part 2 at the point of what appeared to be nit-picking then yeah I didn&#8217;t read ALL the articles. I did read up to the point however, So I assume you are meaning that I just glanced through it, Not true. What was it teachers told us in school about our writing?<br />
&#8220;if <strong>you</strong> didn&#8217;t get <strong>your</strong> point across, who&#8217;s fault is it? The readers?&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>The caveat of “I was enjoying it until this point” is an attempt to appear open-minded. Some of the commenters here cam directly from PZ Myers’ post, a post which mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable. Most of them probably skimmed that, but just came here to leave their 2 cents.</p></blockquote>
<p>I, and I center on myself here as I am the only one &#8220;complaining&#8221; on this thread. did NOT come from PZ&#8217;s post. I was directed to here from my google+ site. So your making reaching assumption and even accusation at this point, why? You have already decided NOT to answer the inquiries I posed But you feel the need to try to insult and riducle?</p>
<p>Also if PZ&#8217;s Post:</p>
<blockquote><p> mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable</p></blockquote>
<p>Then perhaps his mangling and my &#8220;misreading&#8221; of your points are a fault of bad writing, not our understanding&#8230; </p>
<p>No couldn&#8217;t be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m tempted to make jokes about points flying over heads and such, but I guess it&#039;s more likely that the people complaining that it&#039;s just semantics didn&#039;t actually read the articles. The caveat of &quot;I was enjoying it until this point&quot; is an attempt to appear open-minded. Some of the commenters here cam directly from PZ Myers&#039; post, a post which mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable. Most of them probably skimmed that, but just came here to leave their 2 cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tempted to make jokes about points flying over heads and such, but I guess it&#8217;s more likely that the people complaining that it&#8217;s just semantics didn&#8217;t actually read the articles. The caveat of &#8220;I was enjoying it until this point&#8221; is an attempt to appear open-minded. Some of the commenters here cam directly from PZ Myers&#8217; post, a post which mangles mine to the point that it is unrecognizable. Most of them probably skimmed that, but just came here to leave their 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Verbose Stoic</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/comment-page-1/#comment-1747</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But wasn&#039;t the point that Dawkins translated Plait&#039;s discussion about skeptics into a discussion about atheism?  Plait talked about skepticism and Dawkins claimed that he&#039;d said that about atheism.  Which, it seems, it far more than semantics when a lot of the point in these articles is that you shouldn&#039;t conflate the two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wasn&#8217;t the point that Dawkins translated Plait&#8217;s discussion about skeptics into a discussion about atheism?  Plait talked about skepticism and Dawkins claimed that he&#8217;d said that about atheism.  Which, it seems, it far more than semantics when a lot of the point in these articles is that you shouldn&#8217;t conflate the two.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/comment-page-1/#comment-1732</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I didn&#039;t even think about that, but it is relevant. I never realized that racism was so prominent within ethnic groups until I read &quot;There Eyes Were Watching God&quot; by Zora Neile Hurston.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#8217;t even think about that, but it is relevant. I never realized that racism was so prominent within ethnic groups until I read &#8220;There Eyes Were Watching God&#8221; by Zora Neile Hurston.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked your article.  I thought the Dawkins thing was a bit of a nitpick, but other than that, it is very good.

A minor detail regarding Malcolm X.  In his autobiography he talks about being a very light skinned black man.  It goes along with some discussion of skin tones among blacks. My recollection is that he couldn&#039;t be a male prostitute because his skin wasn&#039;t dark enough.  So when Melchiorre said “Malcolm X was a very dark black&quot;, he was making a false statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your article.  I thought the Dawkins thing was a bit of a nitpick, but other than that, it is very good.</p>
<p>A minor detail regarding Malcolm X.  In his autobiography he talks about being a very light skinned black man.  It goes along with some discussion of skin tones among blacks. My recollection is that he couldn&#8217;t be a male prostitute because his skin wasn&#8217;t dark enough.  So when Melchiorre said “Malcolm X was a very dark black&#8221;, he was making a false statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Volizden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Volizden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet, I assume, you call yourself an academic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet, I assume, you call yourself an academic?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/comment-page-1/#comment-1676</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. You pulled out the words that matched. Yeah, I could have done that, too, but then I would be missing all of the words that don&#039;t match.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You pulled out the words that matched. Yeah, I could have done that, too, but then I would be missing all of the words that don&#8217;t match.</p>
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		<title>By: Volizden</title>
		<link>http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/08/take-back-skepticism-part-ii-the-overkill-window/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Volizden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I should rephrase, I am admittedly not very clear in my writing, its always been an issue that I am continually working on.

So, with that:

You are presenting yourself as an authority on the issue, or at least have some educated position on the subjects. Yet you argue a point of semantics, which ultimately is what Plait said just paraphrased...

Plait:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;how many of you no longer believe in those things, and you became a skeptic, &lt;/blockquote&gt;(&lt;strong&gt;changed your mind&lt;/strong&gt;)
&lt;blockquote&gt;because somebody got in your face, screaming, and called you an &lt;em&gt;idiot&lt;/em&gt;, brain-damaged, and a &lt;em&gt;retard&lt;/em&gt;? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
(&lt;strong&gt;as a result of being called an idiotic retard?&lt;/strong&gt;)

Dawkins:
&quot;How many of you changed your mind as a result of being called an idiotic retard?&quot;

That is NITPICKING and takes away from your position as an observer with an objective point of view. It then becomes a rant, and since you NITPICKED such a small issue (WHICH Ultimately said the SAME THING,) you pulled you own argument down to a 4th grade I am better than you word play on the playground.

Oh but it didn&#039;t say the same thing? Is that what your saying? I am sorry but it did, running it by a Linguist friend of mine, who said: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The outcome was the same the word play was on the exact wording of &#039;idiotic retard&#039; which ultimately came across in both statements anyways&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So do you get it now? Let me summerize.
Your initial page (part one) came off a bit preachy but was over all keeping my interest in your point of view, right up and until you brought down the level of your article with 4th grade neener neener bullshit...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I should rephrase, I am admittedly not very clear in my writing, its always been an issue that I am continually working on.</p>
<p>So, with that:</p>
<p>You are presenting yourself as an authority on the issue, or at least have some educated position on the subjects. Yet you argue a point of semantics, which ultimately is what Plait said just paraphrased&#8230;</p>
<p>Plait:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;how many of you no longer believe in those things, and you became a skeptic, </p></blockquote>
<p>(<strong>changed your mind</strong>)</p>
<blockquote><p>because somebody got in your face, screaming, and called you an <em>idiot</em>, brain-damaged, and a <em>retard</em>? </p></blockquote>
<p>(<strong>as a result of being called an idiotic retard?</strong>)</p>
<p>Dawkins:<br />
&#8220;How many of you changed your mind as a result of being called an idiotic retard?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is NITPICKING and takes away from your position as an observer with an objective point of view. It then becomes a rant, and since you NITPICKED such a small issue (WHICH Ultimately said the SAME THING,) you pulled you own argument down to a 4th grade I am better than you word play on the playground.</p>
<p>Oh but it didn&#8217;t say the same thing? Is that what your saying? I am sorry but it did, running it by a Linguist friend of mine, who said: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The outcome was the same the word play was on the exact wording of &#8216;idiotic retard&#8217; which ultimately came across in both statements anyways&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So do you get it now? Let me summerize.<br />
Your initial page (part one) came off a bit preachy but was over all keeping my interest in your point of view, right up and until you brought down the level of your article with 4th grade neener neener bullshit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Volizden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Volizden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thank you for illustrating my main point.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, really!?!?! You want to argue semantics? Sementics as a Problem of &quot;real Skeptics&quot; Versus &quot;Atheist Skeptics&quot;...

Not to mention one could argue the Not true Scotsman issue here..

But over all: You Seemed to have missed MY POINT...

Just saying...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Thank you for illustrating my main point.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>OK, really!?!?! You want to argue semantics? Sementics as a Problem of &#8220;real Skeptics&#8221; Versus &#8220;Atheist Skeptics&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Not to mention one could argue the Not true Scotsman issue here..</p>
<p>But over all: You Seemed to have missed MY POINT&#8230;</p>
<p>Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; I realized you were arguing semantics&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for illustrating my main point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I realized you were arguing semantics</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for illustrating my main point.</p>
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